LOCKING THREAD, CENSORSHIP, and posting about AGENTS

[hamneggs]

I am interested in hearing why people think that threads should be locked and posts deleted.

I had a post of mine deleted today by The General, it was an IM conversation between me and an agent from Sirbet. The agent from Sirbet had threatened dogball's wife in this IM conversation. I posted this after THE SHRINK took the lead in posting a private chat that (allegedly) took place between me and Sirbet. I was following Ken's lead and assumed that it was okay.

Later in the eve., The General did delete my post but he left Ken's up. The General told me that:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>hamneggs,

It is not good practice to announce Agents in the forums. Books do not like to acknowledge Agents. Its kind of like/similar to not announcing informants publicly. Its about classy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

my response was

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Interesting, I have never heard that before.

An informant is confidential, an agent is not. As long as there is no personal information about the agent posted, then why are you refusing to allow the content of the conversation itself?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I further added

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> General, what do you mean "disclosing agents."

Are you suggesting that saying "Agent X is with Book Z" is not classy? Even if you call the agent "X" and the book "Z"? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

----The General has not responded to my knowledge----

I can't see why the CONTENT of the conveeration should not be disclosed. I do not wish to disclose the identity of the agent, though his AOL screen name was contained in the IM conversation. I would not have objected had The General solely altered the names of the participants in the conversation, but he deleted the entire post.

I neither agree that threads should be locked unless they are TRULY insidious. A thread about a sportsbook which contains 170 posts on 6 pages with many posts from The SHRINK, dogball and Sirbet (one post) is not a meaningless thread.

I do not know if it was a good idea to lock the thread or not. It HAS left me thinking that Angelle, the one who locked it, has done it purely for personal reasons. It should also be noted that the sportsbook is an advertiser here. It has left me skeptical regarding their real reasons for locking the thread.

Whatever benefit is gained from locking a thread or deleting a post, I think that it should be weighed agains the loss in credibility that is suffered. Locking a thread effectively tells posters to "shut up now."

Now some of you will say that it should have been locked, then there are others that will say that it should have been left open. don marco, a guy who I respect a great deal, began a thread in the RR entitled "General locking hammy's thread in the main forum" link

Now I am not posting this thread as a motion to unlock a thread or replace my deleted post, though I may not be opposed to either option. I would like to get feedback on these subjects in general:

1) When should a thread be locked?

2) When should a post be deleted

3) Is it not "classy" to post an IM conversation that took place between a poster and a sportsbook?

4) Is it not "classy" to post an IM conversation between a sportsbook agent and a poster, so long as the personal identity of the agent is not disclosed?

thanks for the feedback

 

[BEANTOWNJIM]

WHY DONT YOU GO POST YOUR CONVERSATION OVER AT MAJOR BUTTERNUTS FORUM HAMMY ARE YOU AFFRAID YOUR GOOD BUDDY MAJOR CHICKEN SH-T WILL GO CRAZY ON YOU.YOU DONT POST THAT BULLSH-T HERE BECAUSE ITS ALL HEAR SAY.I HAD A PROBLEM WITH AN AGENT ONETIME HE OWED ME 5 GRAND I CALLED THE SHRINK AND TALKED TO HIM MAN TO MAN I DIDNT BRING IT INTO THE FORUM TELL THE GENERAL OFF THE RECORD BECAUSE WE DONT GIVE A F-CK ABOUT YOUR PROBLEM.THESE AGENTS ARE RATS I KNOW I HAD A GUY IN NEW JERSY WHO OWED ME 5 GRAND AND HE SAYS ILL MEET YOU AT THE CONN. BORDER WHAT THE F-CK IS THIS I HAVE TO DRIVE 150 MILES TO MEET SOME PUNK AT THE BORDER I CALLED THE AGENT AND TOLD HIM WE HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER WAY OR I WILL CALL THE MAIN SPORTSBOOK HE DID HE SENT IT WESTERN UNION.I THINK YOU CAN TALK ABOUT SPORTSBOOKS IN A FORUM BECAUSE I EXPECT MORE FROM THEM BUT AS FAR AS A CREDIT AGENT THESE GUYS ARE PUNKS ON THE STREET.

 

[JudgeWapner]

Hammy,a book even acknowledging they use agents could possibly be a problem.

 

[hamneggs]

Judge-

I take your word for it, but why is that?

thanks

 

[TheGeneral+]

Hamneggs,

What possible reason would you have to think i would have lied about this?

 

[hamneggs]

General, don't be ridiculous. You know and I know that I asked you in courteous language to please explain why it is bad to say that a book has an agent.

You are taking shots at me again, Pete.

You even told me to start this thread, now you are coming at me like this. I will provide the link.

My goodness, General.

 

[JudgeWapner]

Hammy,don't really want to go into it.But could def be a problem.

 

[hamneggs]

ok, good enough Judge, thanks

 

[hamneggs]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The General:
Hamneggs,

What possible reason would you have to think i would have lied about this?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The General-

You are trying to bait me because I called you out for runnning off Joey C, AND nobody thought that was a bad move by me except for The General. That is why you are now trying to bait me at every turn so that you can have some excuse to ban me. I see what you are doing, The General, and I am laughing at each failed attempt to hook this big fish.

The General, here is where you asked me to start this thread yesterday:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> posted May 24, 2003 09:19 PM
Easy Hammy. Post a topic about disclosing Agents and let others teach you something today. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First you ask me to start the thread, then you accuse me of calling you a liar because I took your suggestion.

If you want to come at me head on, General, please see my thread in the Rubber Room. thanks

 

[TheGeneral+]

Shots are defined as a question to you?

I did not want to debate this in the forum. It is just an undefined hush, hush

It is just not something most want to discuss.

Enjoy the day

 

[BEANTOWNJIM]

HEY HAMMY YOU WERE THE FIRST GUY TO TELL ME TO SHUT THE F-CK UP ABOUT CASCADE WHY WONT YOU JUST SHUT UP ABOUT THIS ITS GETTING REALLY BORING IF YOU WANT TO PRESENT IT ACROSS THE STREET FEEL FREE BUT YOUR WASTING OUR TIME IN THIS FORUM.GO ASK YOUR BUDDY BUTTERNUTS AT MAJORS PLACE HE DOESNT HAVE ANYBODY TO TALK TO RIGHT NOW.

 

[hamneggs]

General-

You asked me to start this thread

Then you accuse me of calling you a liar for starting the thread

Any explanation for your actions?

thanks